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at this hour. thank you for joining us. you wan get the latest news by going online. "consider this" is next. be safe. the u.s. facing new terror threats just a week after the paris attacks. investigative journalist jeremy scai hill joins us. forced into chemo - the legal and medical ethics in the case of a 17-year-old girl who refused cancer. and glen close's family struggles with mental illness. i'm antonio mora, welcome to "consider this". those stories and more ahead. >> the fbi revealed a plot by a capital. >> meanwhile al qaeda in the arabian peninsula said it
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ordered, planned and funded attacks in paris. >> al qaeda in yemen is considering the most lethal terrorist organization. >> yemen is almost a failed state. the new afghanistan. >> radicalization was nothing like in france. >> the united states does not have a large disgruntled radicalized muslim community. >> changes to find individuals on the fridge gs of the communicate -- fringes of the communicate i why. >> a court ruled a teenager must under go chemotherapy. >> efforts to rebuild in haiti are hampered by corruption. >> the political situation is as it was yesterday - chaos. >> glen close and her sister tell their story about the
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struggle with mental illness. >> the fact that she's here is a testament of her strength we begin with allegations of a threat to the u.s. home lpd as al qaeda claims responsibility for attacks on the "charlie hebdo" in paris. 20-year-old christopher lee cornell has been accused of planning to attack the u.s. capital with fight bombs and then fleeing the scene. fbi contacted christopher lee cornell after he posted messages on facebook and posted messages on twitter. he wrote: meanwhile a leader of al qaeda in the arabian a.q.a.p. a.q.a.p., took credit for the "charlie hebdo" attacks. he said:
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. >> an american-born cleric was said to have made the arrangements to carry out the attack, anwar al-awlaki, who was killed by a drone attack. >> a.q.a.p. is a dangerous affiliate in terms of external noting outside of a region where they are located. >> a french newspaper is reporting that a search is under way for a fourth suspect believed to have been connected with the kosher grocery attack. i'm joined by jeremy scai hill, reporter for "the intercept", good to have you on the show. you spent a lot of time in yemen. you reported before the claim that al qaeda - a source of yours in a.q.a.p. told you that they were claiming responsibility. we know the brothers, as they killed all these people claimed
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to be doing it on a.q.a.p.'s orders. it. >> we have a definitive claim that they were behind the attack. they directed the attack. we don't have evidence to support that they played that significant of a role. one of the brothers had training. we know that a.q.a.p. did this. we know that one of them told the french journalist that they were doing this op behalf of a.q.a.p. and they received financing. if we look at history, and how a.q.a.p. would take responsibility for an attack of this nature. we are in the first phase of a multi phased process. what happens is they'd release a martyr video as in relation to the underwear bomber. until we have that, all we can prove is there's a lot of spoke around the idea of a.q.a.p., but not fire. >> we have i.s.i.l. claiming responsibility, and we know that
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amedy coulibaly, the man that carried out the attacks at the kosher supermarket said he was working on i.s.i.l.'s behalf and claimed to coordinate with the kouachi brothers, with home he had a long-standing relationship. what do you make of i.s.i.l.'s claim. >> we need to separate these into two plots. and realise something interesting happened when a.q.a.p. put out this statement. he said that we were not behind the kosher market attack. it was a coincidence, but we support that. there's internal politics. a.q.a.p. and i.s.i.s. are fighting over prem si, who is the premiere jihadist. i.s.i.l. is a bigger deal. part of what the sheikh was doing is saying we like this attack, we don't want to give the message to followers that we are in league with i.s.i.s. i.s.i.s. is more willing to let people use their brand to commit acts of terrorism. aq a.p. doesn't lend out its
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name and will own. coordinate. >> i'm not convinced they didn't coordinate. we have to look at this differently. we know they knew each other. i do not believe that they did. this is a combination of i.s.i.s. letting the guy go to the bank with this, it will mep their imaging, a.q.a.p. has some involvement. these guys knew each other, and there's home grown aspect. coulis bali appears to have purchased his weapons from a man, some used in the attack on charles consider. -- "charlie hebdo". there's a lot of speculation. you have to be careful on what you can or can't prove. there's a lot indicating that a.q.a.p. had some involvement. and the pact that amedy coulibaly pledged allegiance to the amir, abu bakr al-baghdadi.
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>> we see evidence of revving up of a fear machine. listening to what you say, does the tension raise concerns, this they are trying to one-up each west. >> i don't mean to dismiss the idea that terrorism represents a threat, and more so inside of yemen. most victims are arabs, muslims, not puppets of the west. >> what al-shabab does in somali. what is happening in iraq, in yemen, in nigeria, with boko haram. it's not that there's no threat. we are afraid of the power of nightmares, "inspire" magazine is english. anwar al-awlaki spoke english. the west is not used to these terror hits. i fear we'll go overboard with a problem that doesn't warrant
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cracking down on civil liberties, rounding up those that support the ideas of i.s.i.l. and al qaeda. we need a smarter policy. it begins with looking at at role in projecting a message to the world that we are at war with islam. >> there are concerns that what we are doing is not working. here you had guys that should have been on the radar, and were at one point, but they fell off. it. >> you had me on the show some time ago when we revealed the guidelines for a programme that the u.s. government has. what i heard from anti-terrorism people is that they are droining in inspiration. when everyone is on the list, no one is on the list. when you round up populations of people, how do you figure out who is the real threat.
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information. >> not wanting to be a part of fear. this is the kind offing we have been warned about since 9/11. that there could be sleeper cells in the united states and europe. assuming that everything that we have so far believed to have learnt about the guys being involved. they seem to fit the definition of a sleeper cell. >> i think you are right. >> given your experience, and your contacts across the world in a shadowy world... >> i think we'll see more of this, small-scale attacks. these organizations are not flush with cash. they don't have militaries. the way they strike at western society is to conduct the operations garnering huge headlines, and force the united states and others to overreact. go to an airport. post 9/11. some things make sense. some things are crazy.
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i think that al qaeda and these groups win when we allow civil liberties to be eroded. it's a matter of time before we are hit like this. why? we are fighting an asymmetric war. we embrace strategies to defeat them. it's backfiring on us. >> because of the drone attacks. >> i'm not making equivalence. we have chosen to declare war against groups that don't operate under the nation state flag. we have engaged in torture and rendition. we are fighting an asymmetric war that is not necessarily of the u.s.'s choosing, but they embraced it. the reality is the same way palestinians have limited ability to fight back, and they have suicide bombings, rock throwing, al qaeda and the arabian peninsula will try to
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hit vulnerable targets and maximise the impact. >> if we overreact, giving them authority to say we have you guys imprisoned in your own minds. the ideas we lose out on. >> the chaos in yemen will give more power to a.q.a.p. >> it's not that they are in control of clarmg swathe are of yemen, no one is. a.q.a.p. is settled where they are. it's amazing how the u.s. kills a tremendous amount of people in yemen, but not the leadership. >> a lot say yemen is the new afghanistan. good to see you we turn to report claiming the attacks in paris may have been planned as long as three years ago and financed with 20,000 from al qaeda in the arabian peninsula. the killers were second generation muslim immigrants to france, leaving many to ask if communities in the u.s. face similar pressures, and if the same thing could happen here.
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i'm joined by baltimore, the national president of the muslim men's association. in 2009 he was awarded the presidential service award by president obama for work with muslim youth. i'm joined by berkeley by stooep fish, author of "are muslims distinctive, a look at the evidence." i want to play you something that the member of the homeland security committee said, and get your reaction. >> our muslim community, except for a small percentage patriotic americans, part of the mainstream. >> i take it that you think that is a fair description. if a miniscule percentage of the 7 million muslims in the u.s. pose a danger, how concerned should we be? >> exactly. i agree with the statement. in the muslim community we work with the muslim youth from the
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aim of 70 to 40. our youth were meeting the french giving condolences wearing muslim for peace shirts. that's where we stand and where the maiming juniority of communities is. the problems exist. the children are sandwiched between two strong rhetorics. they see a strong anti-islam rhetoric in the muslim, a bashing of their faith, and they come home and here anti-american rhetoric from their immigrant parents who are really detesting the wars. and american foreign policy. that is is the danger.
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creating unstableness for the teenager and they become vulnerable. >> you found they are similar to the population as a whole and there's differences to the way muslim immigrants are treated in the united states and accepted here and the experience in france and other organizations. >> in general, yes, it's easier to be a muslim in the united states than some european countries. generally speaking muslims view the united states as more congenial to live than in some countries of europe. america, being a nation of immigrants, embraces multiculturalism. one can be ara paying speaking, chinese, mandarin and other languages, and still be american.
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germany has an ethnic notion of citizenship and belonging. in france there's a push to asame late immigrants populations rather than embrace multiculturalism. there's differences as well. the netherlands tends to embrace multiculturalism like the united states. conditions differ across countries. in general, the united states embraces multiculturalism that makes life easier for immigrant europe. >> the muslim communicate ci is varied from '77 countries. it's more closer knit in european countries. there's an article in "the national review", arguing that as the numbers increase in america, so does the possibilities that some american muslims will join terrorist groups. the number of muslims living in america doubled from 50,000 to 100,000 a year.
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dr eunice, does that growing muslim community in america increase the terrorist threat? >> yes. i think i disagree with that. that implies that there's inherent problems with islam, and, therefore, we should be worried about the trend. i disagree. it's an ideaologicalelement. there are people that condone blasphemy and apost offy laws and say you can not be loyal. the ideologies, viruses have to be eliminated, and once you do that numbers will not matter. you can expand and go to any sale. within the community we have seen that. a group is established in a number of countries, we don't
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see it, we address it earlier on. >> the question about numbers is what people raise. look at deer born michigan, 40% is muslim. they have more people on the federal terrorism watch list that any city besides new york. professor fish, do you think that that does suggest that numbers matter? >> not necessarily. i actually don't believe that numbers matter all that much. i suppose strictly in mathematical terms one could say if the number of immigrants from france were to double, the danger of crimes committed by french people or people of french extraction in the united states would go up. it doesn't make sense to me. we wouldn't expect french people to commit crimes disproportionately. similarly we have a large muslim population in the united states,
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and fortunately had little terrorism. very little islamist terrorism in the united states. 9/11 was not committed for the most part by american citizens who were born and raised in the united states. we had a terrorist incident, the boston marathon bombing committed by people who lived in the united states for some time. but, you know, again, this is one accident. we go back several decades and there's little islamist terrorism in the united states. it's remarkable when you consider how easy it is to commit acts of terrorism. throwing a handmade bomb into a storar shopping mall is easy. the professor raises an issue of what generation the extremists could come from. in france the latest text came
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from second general agency, brothers blamed for the boston marathon bombings, as are the alona 6 and others. is it terrorists who seem to be parents? >> it's the chipping of immigrants that have the challenge of forging that identity. it's their challenge to be muslims or americans. the ground reality, root causes have to be looked at. muslims in america faces more discriminations between blacks and l.g.b.t. groups. when you compound the trend with the foreign policy and war, you add
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an internet sanctioner. some radical. about. >> large scale terrorism is mostly an islamist issue worldwide. you found that muslim countries as a whole are less violent than the world average. >> that's right, i broke violence into several categories. one is murder rates, looking at common crime, murder. we have good cross national data, and i found murder rates are lower in predominantly muslim countries than else where. i looked at mass political violence, finding there's no difference between muslims and non-muslims. when it comes to terrorism, over the last couple of decades, groups that speak for islam are crossley
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disproportionate. it's important to remember that often terror acts committed in the west are not committed by muslims. the boston bombings were committed by young mean that could not the first sera of the koran. that's commonly the case with terrorists. we identify terrorists with long-bearded pious muslims, but it you look at them, often they are people that know nest to nothing about their faith. learning something about islam does not appear to be a problem. people that know more might be less likely to commit acts of terrorism. that's important keep in mind.
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>> thank you both for joining us. it's good to have your "consider this" will be right back.
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a 17-year-old kek girl has been forced to receive chemotherapy to fight a form of cancer. it's against her mother will and her own. cassandra refused chemotherapy and fled the state after take twoing treatments ordered -- taking two treatments ordered by a lower court. she came back after her mother was threatened with arrest. she told the hart ford newspaper: for more, i'm joined from hartford by an assistant public defender and cassandra c's attorney. i want to start by asking how kaz apped ra is doing -- cassandra is doing. she complained that she's locked
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in the hospital, her mother has limited visiting. >> i can't give details, it's a juvenile case, but it's accurate. she has less freedom of movement detention. >> she has hodgkin's lymphoma, a form of cancer with a cure rate of 80%. her mother hearing... >> my daughter made a decision that she does not want chemicals, poisons, put into her body, does that mean she wants to die? absolutely not. does that mean i'm going to let her die? absolutely not. >> given the curate of hodgkin's lymphoma, why reject the treatment? >> i mean, the point as far as i see it and the legal issue is not why, but can anyone. if she was 8.5 months older, kazzant ra could.
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you could, i could. that was really the question, was not why, but more the idea that everyone has the freedom to decide about their open body connecticut assistant attorney-general john kentucky said: do cassandra and her mother have a ladies and gentlemen mate alternative to chemotherapy? >> well, they have talked about exploring alternative treatments, and while you or i or anyone might think it's foolish in that circumstance, and maybe it is. but the point is if she was an adult she would. i could explore alternative treatments, i could do no treatment. that's the point i'm pushing.
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maybe it's a bad decision, but it's hers to make. >> you argued that the court should give control. 17 states not including connecticut allows minors to make their own decisions, but cole cassels fled after swearing to take the chemo, and this is what the chief justice of the court in connecticut had to say. >> cassandra either intentionally misrepresented her wishes to the trial court or changed her mind op life and death. her conduct supports junk equip's finding that the respondents failed to prove that cassandra was a mature minor under any standards. >> do you think you would have had a case if fled. >> it would have been a
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difficult case. we were dealing with a new legal theory. we didn't have good evidence or present the case as well as we might have if we had foreseen all of this. we didn't bring in other testimony. we ask the supreme court to give us the chance. to spend the case back to present more evidence. >> can you pursue them. it is open. >> i think we can. i don't think the supreme court foreclosed that as a question of connecticut law. it focused on the evidence before them and based on this evidence we are not going to overturn what the trial court did. child protection cases are perennially open. there's a presumption
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that they are not the parent forever. if we show new circumstances, we could go back in front of not the supreme court, but the issue. >> cassandra's mum lost company when they didn't show up for doctor's appointments. did the state operate the way it should. where do you stand. you have an incurrable cancer, should the state get involved. >> we were operating in a legal grey area. it's easy to imagine if d.c. f did nothing, if they spoke to her and said they would let her get no treatment, i can see them coming under fire. if i had criticism of the approach, it's the heavy-handedness of it. if i had a 17-year-old who won't take
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medicines, i couldn't strap her to a bed and sedate her much that's what the state is doing. >> it's an important case, it's good of you to join us to tell us about it. >> we heard from a lawyer of a 17-year-old girl fighting for the right not to undergo chemotherapy to treat her cancer. what are the ethical decisions on who should be treated and who can reject it. art, good to see you. there's an old saying that you are considered sane until you disagree with the doctor. ethically... >> we call that a comedy test. do you agree with me, you are competent. competent. >> how far can a doctor go wishes. >> one issue is how old is the patient. she's 17, older, that gives her
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a different status to if she is five. second, what are the reasons, some have religious objections, some want to pursue alternative medicines, she's basically saying "i don't want to go through this." that may not be a moving reason. no one wants to go to the doctor and go through everything. it's never fun, for her it's a couple of months, not like a life-time of intervention, and we think okay, are you psychologically sound. she appears to be, and lastly - does it work. >> let's go down some of these. line. >> this is a close-call case. >> doctors in the state have obligations including to remove children from an abusive situation, anything causing harm. does this case conversational under that rule. >> it does. they saying the mum is not
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looking out for her best interest, she is supporting her in refusing effective medical care. the state as an interest in preserving her life as a child. she's a child, until they step abuse. obligation. >> it's interesting. i don't know the details between mother and daughter, what you want to hear. would she challenge her mind. from what i have seen. i want parents to support my kid, i want my kid to be here. >> we allow adults to reject treatment, so were not allow treatment to be projected in this case. she's 17. the mother agrees with her. >> that makes it tough. >> at 17, if she came up with an overwhelmingly
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persuasive reason, you may want to listen to that. let's say that fails, three failed, cout comes are poor. chemotherapy, it works, you need emotional support. hopefully they can bond. >> she's almost 18. >> it's close. am 18 doesn't get you a driver's licence. and almost 18 doesn't let you kill yourself snow what about the cure rate. how big of a deal is that, should that be in deciding what theeth ecks are. given that this is curable. >> it's huge. it's the whole
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thing. >> right if frp the other way around. >> i think benefit. >> so the cure rate has to be looked at. >> we get the cases. some jehovah witnesses don't want their children to have, and the cure rate is 99%, it will move. if we expected experimental chemotherapy, no one would be forcing that. >> religion - what role should it play, is it a grey line or if a family has objections should it be respected? >> religion might count. you want to make sure parents or guardians are not pushing religion on to a kid.
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"i'm a jehovah's witness, i believe it", they may listen for that. if the parents say not for my kid, and the kid doubt grasp it, plausibility. >> how should is it play out? >> i think it played out well. with the cure rate, the crucial thing is to get her to 18. people say she's close, why not let her refuse. i say she's close, treat her, let her refuse at 18. i hope that she can get counselling, support, find a doctor, nurse to bond with, bring in kids that have been through this. she needs a lot of emotional support. you don't want to treat someone shackled, handcuffed. >> whatever the ethical considerations, i know we wish her the best. >> i hope she's here at 18 to yell at us. >> thank you, i hope so. we'll be back with more of "consider this". >> next saturday. >> visibility was 3 to 5
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when a massive earthquake hit haiti in 2012, killing 300,000. dop donors rushed to help, sending billions to the long impoverished nation. on the fifth anniversary 80,000 live under faded tents and the
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bulk of 10 to $13 billion in aid is unaccounted for. where d the money go? it's the anniversary for a political crisis that may leave haiti in political limbo. protesters are out in force, angry at election delays and the people are wondering if they can get outside from under the corruption. we are joined by former haitian ambassador for the united states, and author. pleasure to have you here. elections have been postponed. there's a deal to have elections later this year. you are concerned michel martelly may become a dictator.
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>> i deal with this in the books. president martelly came in in 2011 and should have local elections. instead of those, he named his interim executive agents. that was a tip off that he wanted to grab power. the international community that helped put martelly there didn't say anything. for three years he did not hold elections, not for congressman or anything. at the last minute 11th hour of 11th of january, had an agreement to have elections. >> are you hopeful? >> on the 12th. the parliament was disfunctional. all congressman.
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>> their terms were over. >> and 10 senators over, added to former 10. 20 senators are out, there's 10 left. you have a political mess. haiti is poor. it was a rich french colony. tens of millions came in in aid. what has happened to that money. i don't know. the u.s. congress passed a law in july, asking that the secretary of state. compelling him to give quarterly reports to the u.s. >> in is five years later. why hasn't
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it happened before. in 2012 it was a good thing to do. we obviouslied the problem of team. there's 80,000 in tents. we brought in water and health clinic, and they forgot haiti, and the president that they helped to put in power. they didn't try to see whether road. >> -- democratic road. >> haiti continues to be important not only as any nation in the western hemisphere should we, we have a lot of haitian immigration when things are bad, creating issuing in the united states, there's military preps and a lot of aid is going to haiti. this is something americans should be concerned about. >> minister should be concerned. i show the relationship of haiti in the united states goes back quite a what i. we are the second independent
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nation, second to the united states of america. when we became in department they had to sell the territory. >> and you said... >> they come to haiti, to get weapons. our relationship goes back. during the cold war, the united states dependent on haiti for anti-communism. that's the time when the supported value, devery well yea. >> he wanted you dead and sent an assassin to kill you. talking about devery well yea, the title comes from him, for whom dogs spy. he used viewed u to convince them. >> here i am, a young
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anthropologist, i don'tlike the idea that he's paying people believe that. i said "i cannot tell people that dogs don't spy", all i can do is help them to think otherwise. dogs are no longer spying. they are spying for me. >> to do that i had to do a radio broadcast. >> you get into detail as to how bad things are. you have written about it also, poverty, 6 million living on less than $2.50 a day. the housing situation is terrible, not just for the 80,000, but things have gotten so much better, despite deforestation where haiti sa natural disaster waiting to happen, where hurricanes sit bounce there's trees. >> you touched on something i said in the book.
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when i was in haiti, i spent two years walking up and down the north, the south, so see what can be done for this country. i felt that what we should address is the reforestation of haiti. tree cover is 2%. >> it's minimal. >> if we do not do that. we have a desert coming up.. >> are you hopeful at all. i go back to the schick fear in the 1800s. it was then rebuilt despite the tragedy. they use it to making is better. are you hopeful that out of the haiti. >> when the earthquake happened i was the ambassador in washington and on information. i think the earthquake taught us a lesson, we should decentralize.
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porter, the capital has 3 million people out of 10 million, and that's why the earthquake hit. it hurt the economy 80%. >> so, i thought that we would learn our less job, and start building -- lesson, and start building smaller towns out of the center of porta prince, make a smaller port-au-prince. what they have done since then up. >> it's very sad. we hope the best for haiti, it's a fascinating story from reporter to ambassador of the united states, the book is for whom the dogs spy. >> "consider this" will be right back. >> al jazeera america presents the best documentaries >> i felt like i was just nothing >> for this young girl times were hard >> doris had a racist,
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one in four adults, experience mental illness in a given year. one in 17 live with the most serious diagnosis sis, schizophrenia, major depression or bipolar. 40% receive adequate treatment. the tournament of a life lived without health is one that jessie close, younger sister of glenn close can relate to.
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she was not fully diagnosed as suffering from bipolar disorder with psychotic features, until she was 51, 10 years ago. >> the fact that she's still here is a great testament of her strength as a human being. >> joining us is jessie close, the author of "resilience - two sisters and a story of mental illness." it's a pleasure to have you with us. it's a brutally honest memoire of the the problems started at the age of five. you hurt yourself, leading to manic episodes as a teenager, dilutions featuring a creature telling you to kill yourself. drugs, alcohol, five husbands. when you look back at it all, do you wonder how you survived it? >> i do. i'm listening to your list thinking "oh, the poor womban". >> i felt bad to list it.
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i can only imagine what that's like to hear it. when glenn joined you and both of you are mental health advocates, and a question a lot of people have is you came from a wealthy family, your dad was a doctor. your family had a history of mental illness. how in the world did it take so diagnosed? >> i don't know. the first relative we could point to and say "ah-ha he was definitely bipolar." he was an uncle. held people at gunpoint. >> kidnapped them from new york. >> yes, and ride naked over the hills in greenwich. his mother said he was having a nervous breakdown. the language of mental illness probably... >> later. >> generation.
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i don't remember hearing the term manic depressive - which it used to be called. it's now called bipolar. >> if didn't become part of the '80s. >> yes. >> when there was movies about manic depressives. still you would have thought you'd get the best aid. if someone like you didn't, what else. >> i know. it's a big problem. >> the problems, again, as i said started early when you were 16. you got married. you had a baby. what did people at home think - that you were rebellious. >> yes, i had bad judgment. i was rebellious. i don't know now, it's a joke. husbands, houses and cars are kind of the mantra of what i was. i had five husbands and i don't know how many cars.
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i learnt what a balloon payment is, i would cash in my car, goody, let's get this one. and houses - i moved my kids 12 times in eight years. it was... is that that's one of things you were diagnosed as, with rapid cycling. you would go from very manic - the manic perp that would do things to major depression. >> yes, like this person apologising. i'm so sorry, and the next hour doing something else impulsive. it was tremendous. and i drank a lot to keep that - those feelings at bay. >> i know it has a strong genetic component. to what extent was the function within your family. do you think it played a role because your parents picked up and joined a colt
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this switzerland. situation. >> my dad would point to this if he was alive and say we did this bus, and he was not mentally ill. he is was a dedicated doctor. he wanted to be where he would be the most help. >> do you think all that erratic lifestyle also contributed? do you think... >> i don't think so. there are people who have gone through amazing situations worse than mine with my family and have not ended up bipolar. >> in the end it was your second diagnosed as schizophrenia and you reaching out to glenn and telling her that you were thinking about killing yourself. >> yes. >> that changed things. >> yes. >> how did that happen.
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>> i, as you mentioned, i have this - what i call the creature in my head. when i was - i was getting really bad, my symptoms were getting off the charts. and this creature kept saying "kill yourself, kill yourself", relentlessly, on and on and on. i was afraid for my children. i was afraid for myself. so i finally opened by mouth and said "i need hep." >> i know a reason you and glenn have been out there is because of the stigma and the fear the you described how it did. your second speak about it too. >> heather, sorry to disappoint
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you if you are expecting a lunar tick on a franchise. people like me face stigma every day. how are your efforts going. it's getting there. i think others and mostly people are being able to talk about it. what do you want people to take that. >> to talk about it. >> to not sweep strange behaviour making sure that the family is not only physically healthy, but mentally healthy. best of luck with your efforts. >> the book:
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